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RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (dweiser)

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gmanbw


The original question in this string was regarding Texas Lunch in Port Jervis and the discussion gravitated to Kingston and the mid-Hudson in general.  I give all credit to tdj_tx which has a sauce based on Kingston and Dallas Hot Wiener product.  That is a great sauce and a good clone to Kingston or Newburgh.

I tried to recreate the Port Jervis version and I think I may have achieved that sauce as much as possible.  There are a few variations and Idon't  include vinegar in the Port Jervis version.  Here is that recipe:
4 cups water
4 - 8 ounces grilled chopped hot dogs (preferably all beef)
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1 teaspoon kosher salt
3/4 teaspoon onion powder
3/4 teaspoon garlic powder
1/2 teaspoon black pepper
1/2 teaspoon dried parsley flakes
1/2 teaspoon paprika
1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg
1/4 teaspoon thyme
2 tablespoon chili powder
1 teaspoon crushed red pepper flakes (or to taste)
2 tablespoon corn starch mixed with a little water


  1. Bring everything to a boil, except the cornstarch.
  2. Let simmer for 30+ minutes
  3. Bring back to a boil and add the cornstarch mixture slowly in stages, stirring constantly
  4. Keep stirring for about 10 minutes or until the sauce lets your finger trace a line on the spoon.
  5. Serve on your favorite hotdog, with brown mustard, diced onion, in a steamed hotdog bun.
Again, all credit to tdj_tx

THANK YOU gmanbw!!!!!!!!!!!!
At one time, many years ago, I lived in Port Jervis for a year or two and I loved to go to Texas Lunch and eat Jimmy's hot dogs.  Living in the mountains of western NC now but still craving that taste on hot dogs (mostly) and a hamburger also, I have contacted the new owners and offered to make it worth their time to send me a quart (or two) of their sauce so I could once again enjoy it.  They were very nice but I could tell I would never see any sauce from them so I searched and found the recipe you perfected (yes, perfected!!!) here on Roadfood!  I made it with trepidation and some skepticism that it could be the real thing.  Guess what?  It's as close as I can remember Jimmy's sauce tasting!!!!  I am a very happy man!  My one mistake was seeing 4 cups of water and 6 cups on someone else's so I started with 5 cups water going for the compromise.  Four cups is plenty!  I crumbled up one of those pre-cooked frozen beef hamburgers into the sauce while it was cooking - worked for me.  Yes, the mustard should be (has to be maybe) yellow and the correct order (I'm pretty sure) is: one hot dog (I heat mine in the microwave for 20 seconds then turn it over add one hot dog bun and cook for 10 more seconds for a total cook time of 30 seconds), put hot dog in "steamed - like" bun, apply the yellow mustard, next add some chopped raw onions, then spoon the wonderful sauce on top of it all.  If you taste the sauce while it's cooking, you may doubt it's the real thing but I strongly believe it is!
Thank you all again especially gmanbw!!!!
Donald Weiser
 

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (gmanbw)

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Thank you, Donald.  I am always amazed that this string has lasted for almost 8 years.
I see that you compared  a recipe for 6 cups of water.  I suspect you were using a video from Tom's Test Kitchen on YouTube.  That IS the original recipe from this site (tdj_tx) and have been in contact with him periodically.  He has a wonderful video and uses 6 cups BUT reduces it for at least 45 minutes.  That's the key - the reduction of the sauce in relation to the water.
There are so many variables for cloning a sauce.  For example the hot dog used, the brand of chili powder (they are all noticeably different), and other spices.  If you used a burger, you might need additional paprika, salt, pepper, etc. to compensate for a hot dog.
I have made a couple of changes since.  I now use cayenne (1/4 tsp) instead of hot pepper flakes, and try different hot dogs for the spice mix.  I don't know what brand of hot dog the Lutfy's use now but I use Hebrew National where the Case family was using Hatfield before he sold. 
I'm glad you're enjoying it!
dweiser


gmanbw


The original question in this string was regarding Texas Lunch in Port Jervis and the discussion gravitated to Kingston and the mid-Hudson in general.  I give all credit to tdj_tx which has a sauce based on Kingston and Dallas Hot Wiener product.  That is a great sauce and a good clone to Kingston or Newburgh.

I tried to recreate the Port Jervis version and I think I may have achieved that sauce as much as possible.  There are a few variations and Idon't  include vinegar in the Port Jervis version.  Here is that recipe:
4 cups water
4 - 8 ounces grilled chopped hot dogs (preferably all beef)
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1 teaspoon kosher salt
3/4 teaspoon onion powder
3/4 teaspoon garlic powder
1/2 teaspoon black pepper
1/2 teaspoon dried parsley flakes
1/2 teaspoon paprika
1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg
1/4 teaspoon thyme
2 tablespoon chili powder
1 teaspoon crushed red pepper flakes (or to taste)
2 tablespoon corn starch mixed with a little water


  1. Bring everything to a boil, except the cornstarch.
  2. Let simmer for 30+ minutes
  3. Bring back to a boil and add the cornstarch mixture slowly in stages, stirring constantly
  4. Keep stirring for about 10 minutes or until the sauce lets your finger trace a line on the spoon.
  5. Serve on your favorite hotdog, with brown mustard, diced onion, in a steamed hotdog bun.
Again, all credit to tdj_tx

THANK YOU gmanbw!!!!!!!!!!!!
At one time, many years ago, I lived in Port Jervis for a year or two and I loved to go to Texas Lunch and eat Jimmy's hot dogs.  Living in the mountains of western NC now but still craving that taste on hot dogs (mostly) and a hamburger also, I have contacted the new owners and offered to make it worth their time to send me a quart (or two) of their sauce so I could once again enjoy it.  They were very nice but I could tell I would never see any sauce from them so I searched and found the recipe you perfected (yes, perfected!!!) here on Roadfood!  I made it with trepidation and some skepticism that it could be the real thing.  Guess what?  It's as close as I can remember Jimmy's sauce tasting!!!!  I am a very happy man!  My one mistake was seeing 4 cups of water and 6 cups on someone else's so I started with 5 cups water going for the compromise.  Four cups is plenty!  I crumbled up one of those pre-cooked frozen beef hamburgers into the sauce while it was cooking - worked for me.  Yes, the mustard should be (has to be maybe) yellow and the correct order (I'm pretty sure) is: one hot dog (I heat mine in the microwave for 20 seconds then turn it over add one hot dog bun and cook for 10 more seconds for a total cook time of 30 seconds), put hot dog in "steamed - like" bun, apply the yellow mustard, next add some chopped raw onions, then spoon the wonderful sauce on top of it all.  If you taste the sauce while it's cooking, you may doubt it's the real thing but I strongly believe it is!
Thank you all again especially gmanbw!!!!
Donald Weiser



RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (Trask)

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Fergie,
I lived not far from Scully's & still think Villa Soprano made the best pizza! My high school friend used to work there. Len & Joe's came next. I make a good duplicate of the sauce and agree that the aleppo pepper is a great ingredient but for a less expensive pepper try the coarse ground asian pepper found in asian markets. I compared this with the aleppo and thought they were the same.
Trask  PJHS 64

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (Petapoker)

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Well, I've got all the ingredients for tdj's Weiner Sauce so I'm going to make it tomorrow. I grew up eating chili dogs, sorta Detroit style, while my future wife grew up on the other side of town, subsisting on a different, saucier type of hot dog. It'll be interesting to see if the Texas Weiner sauce brings up any old memories. My childhood hot dog joint has been in business since 1920 and her old restaurant has long since disappeared. Since I was at Costco yesterday, I'm fully stocked up on Hebrew National hot dogs. I'm looking forward to eating this.

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (Petapoker)

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Ok, i made this sauce and it was great! It didn't duplicate a favorite local joint, but I don't care about that. The first time, I thought I'd reduce the vinegar the next time I made this but upon further tasting I decided that it was perfect the way it was posted. I'll be making this often this summer. Thanks to all who raved about this sauce and made me notice this thread. Kudos to tdj for developing this sauce. Great work, Sir!

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (parmm)

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Zilla

I read through a bit of this thread and this sounds like Michigan Sauce to me.  A couple that I know live here in San Antonio and they make it as a hot dog topping. They are from upstate NY. Apparently nobody in Michigan knows anything about it.

"Michigan Hot Dogs" are popular in Montreal and Quebec.   It's basically just a spaghetti meat sauce on the hot dog.
You can get them at most fast food places or diners north of the border. Try La Belle Province or Lafleurs. They also serve it as italian poutine

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (Benzee)

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Hello all ,
I have not tried Texas Lunch in Port Jervis as I have heard less than glowing reviews from there , but I do host a TV show on local access Time warner a few blocks from there and if I can get over there early enough will give them a shout next week sometime
Benzee

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (gmanbw)

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I haven't seen any negative reviews other than the posts on this string.  I think it is amazing that the subject carries a string for over 5 years so far and represents alot of strong feelings about the subject.

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (Foodbme)

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gmanbw
I haven't seen any negative reviews other than the posts on this string.  I think it is amazing that the subject carries a string for over 5 years so far and represents alot of strong feelings about the subject.

That's because everyone on here is an Expert!" />" />" />

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (gmanbw)

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I always avoid the title of expert because an expert is defined as a person who knows more and more about less and less." />" />
I think that with absence, the memory of a favorite food is put on a "pedestal".  I have had lunch in Port Jervis there periodically over the last 50 years and the Texas Lunch is fairly close all along - other than the hot dog brand change.  I can't see where they would change their gold mine recipe except when ingredients are forced to change such as the hot dog brand as mentioned earlier.  It's still Jimmy's family.

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (Demira)

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Hello Gene,
 
Please forgive me if this is a duplicate post. This is my second try.
 
I went to KHS in the 70s and enjoyed eating at Uncle George's on Broadway next to Jack-in-the-Box. Mike Andrews, a tall, nice man perhaps in his 30s with dark hair worked there. A previous post regarding Uncle George's history said his father, George, started the business in 1927. Many years ago I think I heard Mike moved out of state - Florida?
 
The last time I visited Kingston I ate a few hot weiners there. They were tasty, but didn't quite taste the way I remembered.
 
I am looking forward to trying TDJ's recipe. Thank you Mr. Jones!
 
Denise

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (seafarer john)

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Uncle George's in Kingston was taken over by Dallas Hot Wieners a few years ago. George's sauce is no longer - They now serve  the Dallas Hot Wiener sauce. They were quite similar, but  easy to tell apart. 
 
Cheers, John 

Re:Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (Duzypapuga)

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I have the original Texas Hot Sauce from western New York Texas Hot in Wellsville

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Re:Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (gmanbw)

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woody3525

Can I please have the recipe for Texas hot dog sauce.
Thank you
Jeannine



This string lists 2 distinct recipes in here - one for a Kingston NY version (aka Dallas Hot Wiener) and the Port Jervis NY version (aka Texas Lunch).  Which one are you looking for? 

Re:Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (allenc3)

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I also grew up in the tri-state area, actually from Matamoras, right across the river. I ate many a Texas Lunch dog from Jimmy, especially when I was working at the Port Jervis A&P. All of us went to Texas Lunch for lunch. This was 1963-1966 when I got drafted into the Army and really never went back.
 
However, my Aunt Maybell (who passed away a number of years ago) was, how can I say it, a bit intimate with Jimmy back in the day,  and she got his recipe. I still have it, and make a batch up now and then. I have often thought of opening my own Texas Lunch down here in Florida using that recipe. Might still do that one day.
Some of the recipes I see here are close, i.e. you got the water and corn starch part, but thats about it. This recipe is simple and very cheap to produce, but none of you have even come close to the secret ingredient.
 
Claude Allen
Green Cove Springs, Florida 
 

Re:Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (MetroplexJim)

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Wolf (Wolf Brand Chili) makes a "Texas-style" chili sauce for hotdogs that is both quite tasty and cheap as dirt ( 50 cents at the local Wal-Mart).  And it heats up faster than you can cook your dogs or toast your buns.
 
http://www.wolfbrandchili.com/our-products
(That said, IMHO, nothing beats the Coney Sauce made by M&P Coney Island, New Castle, PA.  Their's is definitely NOT "Texas-style").

Re:Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (allenc3)

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That one mistake people make on the Texas lunch sauce, it is not a chili sauce. It is a hotdog sauce.

Claude

RE: Hot Dog Sauce recipe from Texas Lunch (RHutch)

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Maybe time has changed, maybe it's a twitch in my memory. Forty-Five years ago, in Poughkeepsie, a weekend grocery trip of 30 or so miles one way, usually led to lunch at various places, Texas Lunch, Carroll's, Lum's and then a quick dash down by the Mid-Hudson Bridge to eat and watch activity on the river. My recollection of that sauce was I spicy sauce over sliced onions that had been brewing for hours. the onions were the star because of the cross migration of flavor with the sauce which was on the thin side. the bunned dog was laid over with this combo that was thick enough to hang onto the onions but not saturate the bun. Even a 10-15 minute ride left a fairly sturdy bun, although one-handing it might not be possible, I forget. But the long simmered onions on the dog and whatever sauce that came along for the ride, plus mustard was da nutz. If their was ground beef in it, it was a minor component, Nothing else was needed or missed. My sporadic visits back there since left me with very rare chance to visit there. And in searching the Inet, I rediscoverd Roadfood and this thread. Other condiments could be added but a simplistic joy as is presented above.
Now, living in TX, I'm gonna peruse this thread and see if my taste buds can help me recall then and present to new tasters something different.
 
Now, beat this site for "Texas" outta Portchester which was good and open late with it's gang of characters. One visit  there, the woman behind the the counter threw a a bowl of their Chili con Carne in front of me with a kinda "wrap your lips around this" comment. She was sooo right.
 
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